SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 18:03:30

Stop it, Stalin! Stop the lies! Stop the bullshit!

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 18:06:27

@Colaman222 Wait, what the fuck you're being deadass?

DrCynical 2025-05-20 18:17:29

I wouldn't trust a self-proclaimed "dictator" to govern me, no matter how good their intentions. Do you fantasise about this often?

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 18:19:47

@Colaman222 In that case, what would qualify as a need in your view of communism? It's kind of vague. Also, with complete control of price, what if you were to under price items, assuming you just received the product and just named a price? What about the costs for it and such? It can also lead to favoritism.

Inequality will never be solved, no matter how our leaders try to fix it. No matter how many rules/laws you will put in place, forget about the idea of complete equality, where nobody is judged based on their race, sex, ethnicity, etc. There'll always be a case of discrimination. You also fail to mention how you would achieve equality, for someone that want's to have a perfect idea of communism, wouldn't you want a plan of that?

Suggesting ideas that will probably never get through. By the way, you're wording this, it seems you are just a dictator, with no true government involved at all. How would you even decide what "ideas" are good for your country or not, without further guidance and relying on yourself? Sure, you could say, "I'll give out a survey, see if people like it or not." But, there is one fatal issue, you'll have to see how that change will affect the rest of the country. This is another authoritarian place ruled by dictatorship, going with the trend of communism of being authoritarian, but you mixed it with democracy at the same time

Your plan would only work if people were not people

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 18:21:11

@DrCynical I agree with you on this, it seems OP doesn't realize he is just another dictator, no matter how much he tries to persuade this good side of communism.

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 19:01:59

@Colaman222 No, I meant, the general definition of a dictator. Although, the way I framed, “another dictator,” could come across as me referencing Stalin or Hitler.

What you’ve described as your political system is dictatorship. This makes sense as communism states are authoritarian. This authoritarianism is a gateway for dictatorship. You are the dictator of your system.

However, do you actually believe yourself? You say, “I won’t put laws and stuff into action for my own satisfaction.” With all this unchecked power that comes with dictatorship. Our human nature desires control, with all this control and power, nobody can challenge and yet, you won’t do anything that falls within your own desires and satisfactions? I find that hard to believe.

You say, you will try to fix your judging problem. With your system, your judgement is law, with your position, as a dictator. You require control and judgement.

Your system seems to be the result of the conglomerate problems of what (I’ll assume) the U.S. has.

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 19:05:40

@DrCynical @Colaman222 You are a person with good intentions, who fears corruption. This is how your system will probably go: You’ll have good intentions at the start, however your fear of corruption will be the downfall. Constantly, doing anti-corruption, until you start blurring the lines between corruption and good intentions. You’ll get more radical with the laws as time goes on, and eventually, freedom and expression will be gone.

DrCynical 2025-05-20 19:22:00

@Colaman222, ok... let's say that you are a leader of some country, and decide to rule it completely on your own, what if you die or can no longer lead anymore, what then? You could say that you would pick someone trustworthy to be your successor if that ever happened, but that is still pretty shaky. A government like that will always be one step away from complete corruption and abuse, if you pick the wrong person even once, then all of it goes to shit.

No one can rule entirely on their own, with nothing to keep them in check. That is not sustainable. Governments like that are always bound to turn selfish and corrupt with time.

Also why do you seem so convinced that you will become a dictator one day?

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 19:22:58

@Colaman222 @Colaman222 I see you’re sincere with your messaging. However, if your own system is not able to stop you, even when you’re potentially making wrong decisions, then your system is useless.

I disagree with your stance, but I will acknowledge your sincerity throughout this debate. This was entertaining, to say the least.

DrCynical 2025-05-20 20:33:33

@Colaman222 I still think that your ideal government would've flopped by one or two generations. Bad successors would still find ways to weasel their way into leadership through manipulation, lying, building trust, and knowing how to get past those checks, and even if someone did have good intentions and got into power and wanted to become a good leader, that amount of power can corrupt someone and deteriorate someone's morality, especially for such a stressful highstakes position where you are constantly making hard moral choices.

That level of power can be addictive. There have to be lines that cannot be crossed, and there has to be some authority that is powerful enough to keep you or your successors accountable. You said you would have people critique you and let you know if you do something bad. I guess that is fine, but even that is all they can do. All they can do is just advise you. They can't hold you accountable for your actions or give you a reason to care about their opinions if you don't have a conscience. What is stopping a bad successor from ignoring them, or just replacing all of them with yes men?

You seem like you want to make people happier and safer, so why not allow people to have enough level of power to be able to hold you accountable in case someone commits any atrocities? idk how you would do it, though.

I don't talk about things like this. Conversations like this are way out of my comfort zone, so I hope my yapping doesn't sound niave.

SlaveOnAStick 2025-05-20 20:45:36

@Colaman222 I, thank you for your civility during our conversation, as well. This debate turned out rather well.

To explain the first paragraph. What is a system? Your definition could be entirely different but, we'll be using the Google definition, "A set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized framework or method."

A framework, for the structure of your ruling, in a political system, requires people, these same people will need to catch your own mistakes or wrong decisions. I said, "if your own system is not able to stop you, even when you’re potentially making wrong decisions." Your system depends on you being right, with no one to check your mistake.

If your system relies on mistakes being made (for example: a law that you thought would help the people but only hurt them), and no one is there to check it beforehand, it's a failed and useless system. You presented the system to help the people, so it's useless, if unchecked mistakes are being passed.

Going back to what I said, "If your own system is not able to stop you, even when you’re potentially making wrong decisions, then your system is useless." We can break this down, from what I said earlier.

1. "If your own system is not able to stop you." In your system, it seems to be just you, making all the decisions, no one close to your position can have an input or suggestion to what you say. Hence, nobody is able to stop you.

2. "Even when you're potentially making wrong decisions." With nobody close to your power able to check what you're doing will be good or bad for your country/system. If you make potentially wrong decisions, it will go unchecked by everyone, except for you. So, if you make a mistake/a wrong decision, the fault will be placed on you.

3. "Then your system is useless." The system is useless. A political system is a way to guide the country and make sure it doesn't go to shit. With unchecked decisions and power, this could potentially ruin your vision about the communism plan you had. It will eventually fall into everything, you once wanted to stop: corruption.